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2016 Postmortem

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retrowire

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Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:36 PM Apr 2016

How in the hell is anybody actually defending what Bill said to those BLM activists?!? [View all]

I want to cover just a few lines that Bill said to the people of the United States of America today...

“I don’t know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out into the street to murder other African American children. Maybe you thought they were good citizens—she didn’t.”

In that line, Bill Clinton pulled some politician jiu jitsu. That tactic is to twist the message of your opponent. Bill saw BLM activists as opponents and twisted their message to infer that they were supportive of gang leaders that murdered AA children. What in the actual FUCK. And no, that's not a misinterpretation. BLM stands to make us all aware of the large prejudices that still permeate throughout our nation, especially in terms of crime and law enforcement. Do they not? They stand for equal representation of black people.

When you hear that comment coming from Bill Clinton's mouth, do you think he's truthfully describing what BLM is standing for? Do you really?

“You are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. Tell the truth.”


Again, here he is, telling BLM that ACTUALLY, they defend murderers. And they should totally fess up. Again, I'm not misinterpreting here either. He's literally telling them what they actually mean. Would you defend Bill's commentary here? Would you really?

“The reason they know it’s true is [the protestors] won’t hush. When somebody won’t hush and listen to you, that ain’t democracy. They’re afraid of the truth. Don’t you be afraid of the truth.”


This is some schoolyard bullying tactic right here. "They won't shut up, so I'm right." Really? That's a false equivalency there, Bill. Wanna fold your arms and go "NUH UH" while you're at it?

Then this comment, "When somebody won't hush and listen to you, that ain't democracy." So... It's only democracy when the people shut up and listen to you Bill? Because it goes both ways, maybe you should be the one that hushes and start the listening. Remember when Bernie was protested by BLM in Seattle? He tried to have a dialogue, realized he wasn't allowed to speak, handed over his mic, and LISTENED. Bill? Points the finger at BLM, twists their message, shouts them down, gets them escorted out.

Yep, Clintons are real champions of the people.

How can anyone defend this bullshit? And don't come in here and tell me a simple one liner like, "You don't get it" and forget to explain it to me, because seriously, I would LOVE to know what I'm missing here. This is crazy. I hate the idea of the possibility of our next president being a duo of people who literally get in the face of protestors and lecture them. That is just wrong.

EDIT: REMOVED THE "AFRICA" COMMENT because 2 hours later, somebody finally explained the context below and how it related to Hillary's work against AIDS in Africa. It took 2 fucking hours to get a real response to that one, just want everyone to notice that.
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Blind devotion. n/t Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #1
To power. nt Xipe Totec Apr 2016 #3
+1 daleanime Apr 2016 #151
Authoritarian adulation. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #165
Please Note My Personal Understandng of BLM & THOUGH... Rockyj Apr 2016 #172
Shillary bots with head in sand. N/t JesterCS Apr 2016 #2
No - they claim that this was bill working on BLM long ago SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #168
Brilliant post, Retrowire. virtualobserver Apr 2016 #4
Just racking my brain here. retrowire Apr 2016 #9
Bill may not get a pass on this one. The tide may be turning. virtualobserver Apr 2016 #14
Sanders supporters were called racist for suggesting BLM adopt different tactics arcane1 Apr 2016 #41
Exactly. The Clintons like African-Americans just as far as they can exploit them. mhatrw Apr 2016 #108
I am mystified why ANY PoC supports ANY Clinton. bvar22 Apr 2016 #163
I've been wondering when Bill was gonna stick his foot in his mouth, dchill Apr 2016 #101
Did she really say "I'll only talk to white people?" Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #134
yes. when she did have an honest dialogue with BLM retrowire Apr 2016 #135
To be fair, that's highly out of context. mythology Apr 2016 #145
+1 I can't answer your question. merrily Apr 2016 #5
actual experience protesting gives you a different perspective virtualobserver Apr 2016 #10
Well, you know, the Southern primaries are pretty much over, so... Karmadillo Apr 2016 #6
I was on the fence for a bit, needing more information and not the usual out of context AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #7
I appreciate your input. retrowire Apr 2016 #17
Well I can as I I'm sure many others can as well take the comment for what it is.." AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #23
Thank you for the elaboration. :) nt retrowire Apr 2016 #25
The context is... JSup Apr 2016 #55
thank fucking god retrowire Apr 2016 #56
Here it is: JSup Apr 2016 #58
edited op to reflect the new info retrowire Apr 2016 #59
Thank you. JSup Apr 2016 #61
gads.....indefensible! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #100
Please excuse my ignorance .. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #137
the comment without context was retrowire Apr 2016 #139
Thank you, but what is the context, though? Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #142
oh i said it in my edit retrowire Apr 2016 #143
Ah, okay. Thanks for the info! Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #147
bill grew up white in a racist state and time. apparently it still seeped roguevalley Apr 2016 #182
That was just ugly. Trying to defend his failures azmom Apr 2016 #8
Rec'd and thanks. nt babylonsister Apr 2016 #11
Because Breitbart posted about it too. So ya know... it's a right wing smear. jillan Apr 2016 #12
God damnit, that is my favorite counter argument of theirs too. retrowire Apr 2016 #15
Anything that is negative Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #136
Bill needs to read this book: Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Cocaine Explosion cui bono Apr 2016 #13
if you look at everything bad...usually the cia is involved questionseverything Apr 2016 #34
Well there's this: Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. cui bono Apr 2016 #98
it is not the average soldier bringing tons of it back questionseverything Apr 2016 #144
Recommended reading to be sure. frylock Apr 2016 #36
He's already read that book and ten thousand more. demosincebirth Apr 2016 #109
What an odd post. cui bono Apr 2016 #146
It is what it is. Plain English. demosincebirth Apr 2016 #192
Bill has lost it nichomachus Apr 2016 #16
He became an embarrassment when he lied about Monica Lewinsky. Punkingal Apr 2016 #21
If an average American executive had "relations" with an intern... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #29
Monica bore the greatest burden to this day roguevalley Apr 2016 #183
I must have missed something, Is it BILL Clinton running 4 Dem nomination? I thought it was Hillary? Bill USA Apr 2016 #18
He's 'helping' her. Maybe she should ask him to go away. nt babylonsister Apr 2016 #22
It's a 2-for-1, just ask Hillary...* Yurovsky Apr 2016 #31
Her campaign decided to take him bvf Apr 2016 #46
The Clintons are a team. Bill will be co-president if Hillary is elected. /nt NCjack Apr 2016 #50
Very true. bvf Apr 2016 #114
Being married to a president is very similar to being president. jonestonesusa Apr 2016 #94
Well the way he brazenly breaks electioneering laws you'd think it was him. cui bono Apr 2016 #99
Surrogates are fair game in politics. We realize Hillary's supporters believe special rules to apply WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #121
K&R CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #19
... AzDar Apr 2016 #20
Bill dug himself a hole by trying to defend the indefensible BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #24
Just awesome Bill Clinton. Explain this ugly. eom. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #26
You can defend it if you lived it and lost family lives from gangs and thugs. That's how!! nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #27
Hello, I grew up in a city of crime. retrowire Apr 2016 #30
I just didn't hear it like you heard it. Civility works both ways...except where BS supporters are Jitter65 Apr 2016 #51
from op retrowire Apr 2016 #53
LOL. And did you apply the same standard to Sanders' interactions with BLM? mhatrw Apr 2016 #111
+1000 we have a winner noiretextatique Apr 2016 #149
It was my belief that when Bill started this rebuttal, floriduck Apr 2016 #28
"when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. " uponit7771 Apr 2016 #32
i was one of the Bernie supporters here that thought that line retrowire Apr 2016 #38
Bill gets the benefit of the doubt, I've not even read what he said ... Sanders does not especially uponit7771 Apr 2016 #42
you haven't even read what bill said? nt retrowire Apr 2016 #44
Nope, he defended his wife Sanders had Cornell West stump for him... any questions? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #45
nope lol. retrowire Apr 2016 #49
Nah, just Sanders doesn't have much room to talk when it comes to BLM. Cornell West stumping uponit7771 Apr 2016 #70
Got it, Cornell West, Cornell West, Cornell West. retrowire Apr 2016 #72
None of those people stumped for Clinton after calling Obama niggerized like Cornell West did last.. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #74
I may not agree with what he said, but I'll defend to the death his right to say it. retrowire Apr 2016 #76
It isn't just "one" statement from West or Sanders either ... it's a continued strain from them in uponit7771 Apr 2016 #79
All praise be to Obama. retrowire Apr 2016 #85
Strawman, no one said that... and calling Obama "niggerized" and having that person stump uponit7771 Apr 2016 #87
I know no one said that. retrowire Apr 2016 #89
They're not one person but when it comes to Obama they're of one mind: They don't like him... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #91
sundry ways eh? retrowire Apr 2016 #92
So out of 12341234 issues you name 8 and Obama aint shit hunh... but... but... people have syndromes uponit7771 Apr 2016 #120
i am also one of the bernie supporters who didnt agree with retrowire Apr 2016 #140
Here's a question melman Apr 2016 #102
Why does Bill Clinton choie Apr 2016 #95
Nope, wonderful relationships kept for years... the same can't be said for Sanders and then uponit7771 Apr 2016 #119
"wonderful relationships?" choie Apr 2016 #122
They've upped their rhetoric... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #125
Yeap, imperfect but there... vs absent until votes are needed that's way more bullshit than whatever uponit7771 Apr 2016 #126
there where? choie Apr 2016 #127
In churches, schools, community centers and doesn't choose someone who called Obama niggerized uponit7771 Apr 2016 #128
No, it isn't enough for me... choie Apr 2016 #129
The person who's always been there speaking on a communities issues have more credibility than uponit7771 Apr 2016 #130
ad nausea is right... choie Apr 2016 #133
I remember West being in Iowa CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #173
Then you are a useful tool noiretextatique Apr 2016 #156
race baiting = cornell west uponit7771 Apr 2016 #157
Race-baiting: Sistah Souljah noiretextatique Apr 2016 #159
Truth...too bad you have an issue with it noiretextatique Apr 2016 #150
truth only to racist minded folk or those who don't have normal exposure to a wide swath of balcks uponit7771 Apr 2016 #158
Elitist bullshit noiretextatique Apr 2016 #162
it is just coincidence DonCoquixote Apr 2016 #33
The phrase "super predator" by Hillary was a reference to crack dealers in black neighborhoods brush Apr 2016 #106
So super predators... tonedevil Apr 2016 #177
That's right. Them and their agents, the higher up, intermediate level and local pushers . . . brush Apr 2016 #186
If Donald Trump had said it, DU would be unanimous in its opposition. arcane1 Apr 2016 #35
I continue to lose respect for Bill And Hillary, more and more each day. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #37
Because they don't actually give a shit, and never did. /nt Marr Apr 2016 #39
BLM is supposed to be about Police brutality/excessive force. Not standing up for drug dealers/gangs timlot Apr 2016 #40
Bill Clinton is burying any.chance Hillary might have for winning. BigBearJohn Apr 2016 #43
I will never give him a cigar. merrily Apr 2016 #65
They were for BLM before they were against them. marmar Apr 2016 #47
Bill ,sometimes silence is golden. Shut up. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #48
I have not told you often enough MuseRider Apr 2016 #52
+1 merrily Apr 2016 #66
I must say ... All this concern about BLM ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #54
so honorable of you to misinterpret my concern as new... nt retrowire Apr 2016 #60
I mis-interpreted nothing ... you saw an opportunity to attack. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #63
Sigh* Nope, I am not using BLM as a means to attack the Clinton campaign. retrowire Apr 2016 #67
I've always been supportive of BLM and I've posted this video in the past, Bill is a known entity to Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #82
Yeah ... Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #93
Stop smearing Sanders supporters with fasle generalities. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #190
Why do you work so hard to make yourself a victim? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #191
I must say, that is not even close to a defense of what Clinton said. mhatrw Apr 2016 #112
you seriously think 1StrongBlackMan would support a racist ? steve2470 Apr 2016 #113
I want see those in the AA group vouch for what Bill Clinton said a few hours ago. mhatrw Apr 2016 #115
IF stats are consistent and Democratic Underground is 90% white, it would Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #152
But they know EVERYTHING ... They keep telling me so. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #153
Must be a defect in you, because you still arent listening. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #155
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #160
THE-LIVES-YOU-SAY-MATTER Bill Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #57
Because to the true believers Hillary not only walks on water, her shoes don't even get damp. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #62
Racists were trolling Twitter today, agreeing with Bill Clinton "for once" GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #64
seen it too. nt Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #181
I will try... JSup Apr 2016 #68
I like you! retrowire Apr 2016 #71
Definitely... JSup Apr 2016 #73
Well that's because we didn't let emotion impede our ability to reason with each other. retrowire Apr 2016 #75
Well, you looking for context... JSup Apr 2016 #77
It's ok, it's the nature of politics. retrowire Apr 2016 #78
Nope...false analogy. Contrary1 Apr 2016 #96
How is anybody defending someone who called Obama niggerized stumping for Sanders in front of uponit7771 Apr 2016 #69
Who's defending it? retrowire Apr 2016 #86
Do a search, bunch of people still calling West critique "slights" uponit7771 Apr 2016 #88
A critique like that is a slight. retrowire Apr 2016 #90
wow... now you're standing behind semantics... typical... no really typical. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #188
lol you're the one who argued definitions not me XD nt retrowire Apr 2016 #189
Nice deflection Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #185
Do you remember the 90's kennetha Apr 2016 #80
I rememberr the 90's. Here's Bill berating AIDS activists in 1992 Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #84
So, now we've filled our prisons with drug users. Great. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #118
The point he was trying to make... potone Apr 2016 #81
Drawing a black on the bill in question rjj621 Apr 2016 #104
is he talking about CIA assets? reddread Apr 2016 #83
That is the Clinton vote block, they beat Bernie with. I hope they wise up! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #97
you can't defend it amborin Apr 2016 #103
Full Quote kennetha Apr 2016 #105
Thanks. Context helps. Martin Eden Apr 2016 #164
Where are all Clinton's AA supporters? mhatrw Apr 2016 #107
Great post Retro. KPN Apr 2016 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Apr 2016 #116
You have people here who will defend DWS's support for putting medical marijuana users in prison. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #117
not to mention payday loans... choie Apr 2016 #131
Thanks for the edit (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #123
no problem! nt retrowire Apr 2016 #124
Well, I'm kicking and reccing the hell out of this. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #132
Good question Fairgo Apr 2016 #138
Honestly, Rebkeh Apr 2016 #141
Divide and conquer is always the plan used by an elite group outnumbered by those they oppress. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #161
It's all about supporting the team, silly! QC Apr 2016 #148
kick merrily Apr 2016 #154
So, you are whinning that you did not get a real response? I passed it by when I read your riversedge Apr 2016 #166
...? retrowire Apr 2016 #169
Kick. panader0 Apr 2016 #167
Why not? They've already defended him for getting blowjobs from young interns in the Whitehouse Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #170
Hillary's people will, apparently, say anything - exactly like their teacher. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #171
Why do you hate America? Capn Sunshine Apr 2016 #174
K&R B Calm Apr 2016 #175
I hope BLM is organizing a march in NYC - for Bernie Sanders ViseGrip Apr 2016 #176
An attempt at resolving cognitive dissonance tymorial Apr 2016 #178
x 10000000 n/t Butterbean Apr 2016 #187
Legend in his own mind Little_Wing Apr 2016 #179
Not too many jumping in to help Bill on this. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #180
I don't think he thought ahead to what the likely reaction will be, Babel_17 Apr 2016 #184
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