2016 Postmortem

puffy socks

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212. "TPP overrides the laws of the countries that protect the public. "

Reply to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #141)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:41 PM

Jun 2016

Ah the old ISDS premise..
ISDS stands for Investor State Dispute Settlement is about investment and not trade. The anti arbitration folks are scare-mongering about a entity that relates only to investment.

ISDS is already in dozens of BITs (bilateral investment treaties) between the United States and other countries, including those involved in the TPP negotiations. Multinational corporations can treaty shop for the best protections . Also, most favored nation clauses in each BIT allow investors to choose the best protections from almost any BIT.

Question: How many ISDS claims has the US lost?

Answer: ZERO

Why? Because the US has an advanced judicial, administrative and regulatory system that does not treat investors (foreign or domestic) unfairly, and when it does it compensates them under domestic US "takings" law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/takings

In fact the top 30 countries in the OECD Corruption Rankings a.k.a. the least-corrupt countries have lost never ISDS case, with the exception of Canada and provincial politics played a huge part in that.

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Now I really want Bernie to take this to the Convention. No party unity after this last trick. [View all] Seeinghope Jun 2016 OP

The majority of Democratic voters disagree with you. Hillary is now the presumptive nominee. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #1

Good luck winning GE with support from 55% Dems,... HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #23

Your candidate lost. You are experiencing a bad case of sour grapes. We forgive you this trespass. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #27

All your candidate has won is 50+% of the party which represents 29% of registered voters. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #41

It worked out well for "President" Barak Obama.....LOL Trust Buster Jun 2016 #43

Really? You don't even know how to spell our president's name. jillan Jun 2016 #46

And the quote marks. bvf Jun 2016 #69

This is the DNC's "Charge of the Light Brigade" and "Battle of Little Big Horn" GoldenThunder Jun 2016 #164

True, that. The stakes aren't real to them, apparently. bvf Jun 2016 #174

Proliferation of cconpiracy threads caused me to google Hortensis Jun 2016 #200

+1 Segami Jun 2016 #180

ROFL bvar22 Jun 2016 #187

But you don't have to be a jerk SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #197

Obama captured the Millenial vote and about half of indies. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #49

She's our nominee now. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #51

good luck with that. Jackilope Jun 2016 #53

Thanks Trust Buster Jun 2016 #56

Convention isn't until July. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #70

That was not Sanders' reaction at this moment in 2008. We must be consistent and honest. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #72

"Consistency" when situations are not the same is foolish "consistency." merrily Jun 2016 #143

Don't bother...it's like talking to turnips. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #165

Obama lost Indies lancer78 Jun 2016 #113

That's nearly half. Clinton is getting a third. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #166

+1000 Much truth in what you say here. senz Jun 2016 #120

Your smugness is not becoming. I don't want or need your forgiveness. You will need mine Seeinghope Jun 2016 #58

The majority of registered Democrats agree with my position and not yours. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #61

Good luck winning in Nov without Sanders supporters votes. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #74

Emotions will subside. Hillary is the one. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #76

Hillary is the one... GRhodes Jun 2016 #118

Keep dreaming. I would 840high Jun 2016 #130

This one doesn't. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #137

The majority of registered Republican voters agree that Trump is the best candidate just like you Seeinghope Jun 2016 #189

Won't be enough though. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #199

You weren't voting Democratic anyway. We'll win without you redstateblues Jun 2016 #67

Who's got those sour grapes, now? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #173

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000 Faux pas Jun 2016 #181

And many of you are experiencing a bad case of sour winner syndrome democrattotheend Jun 2016 #126

Hello POD Person! Rockyj Jun 2016 #175

Only you know that isn't true LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #35

Self-aggrandizing nonsense. stopbush Jun 2016 #39

Your made up "facts" are delusional. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #77

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #154

That's what the polls have shown consistently, stopbush Jun 2016 #161

You're dreaming rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #82

Good luck with your fantasy. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #89

So, are the Sanders supporters in the polls lying then? n/t musicblind Jun 2016 #135

BoBers are fucking idiots. Bernie lost. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #91

That kind of attitude adds to their numbers. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #95

Really? leftynyc Jun 2016 #150

My vote was decided in '08. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #162

Insult? leftynyc Jun 2016 #183

Unity my ass. 840high Jun 2016 #131

I'm sticking with Bernie. Are you calling me a fucking idiot? chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #139

Jury results EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2016 #209

So i guess you're not going for the whole party unity thing then? Right ass-half? truebrit71 Jun 2016 #210

You paint a mean but accurate picture. Ugliness awaits us dead ahead. yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #158

You're so full of yourself rock Jun 2016 #160

Fuck Yeah... She'll WIN... With The Assist of Diebold Exclusively... CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #31

The DU community is small relative to the total voting population. I'm not moved by your Trust Buster Jun 2016 #33

No one wants to unkify wkith zealots anyway. puffy socks Jun 2016 #48

Remind me again why you think someone with such abysmal approval ratings would win the GE? SheilaT Jun 2016 #65

No, because she earned more votes than Sanders. More disagree with you than agree with you. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #66

Not really. Her disapproval ratings indicate quite clearly that the vast SheilaT Jun 2016 #90

Ratings are not votes. I celebrate Hillary's nomination victory tonight. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #93

Thank you Sheila... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #170

I've been voting for the lesser of two evils for 40 years, CrispyQ Jun 2016 #184

Actually, they don't democrattotheend Jun 2016 #124

Because they were lied to... dchill Jun 2016 #179

hy·poc·ri·sy TimPlo Jun 2016 #202

The primary has followed the same patterns as other primaries. The rules don't change mid primary. writes3000 Jun 2016 #2

I don't know why you're blaming Clinton. annavictorious Jun 2016 #3

You mean to tell me that this wasn't done to discourage Bernie supporters from voting for him? Seeinghope Jun 2016 #8

Typical Hillary dirty trick... what else did you expect? InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #15

Huge +1! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #146

So now Hillary is behind this too? puffy socks Jun 2016 #52

Get some Carlin into you TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #62

Sorry puffy socks Jun 2016 #73

I have never ever voted for a Republican politician. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #104

and youre giving up and puffy socks Jun 2016 #110

Let's see how well the TPP trade deal works out. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #112

Thom Hartmann is apparently an uninformed putz. Clinton isnt respnsible for NAFTA puffy socks Jun 2016 #116

Destroying companies, destroying unions, firing thousands of people. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #127

And you think that things would have been puffy socks Jun 2016 #134

FAIR trade, not free trade. Not the race to the bottom with sweatshops. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #141

I guess there was nothing more that they could say. Good for you. It is hard for some when they Seeinghope Jun 2016 #205

I don't know what they said. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #206

"TPP overrides the laws of the countries that protect the public. " puffy socks Jun 2016 #212

Classy signature....very party-unity inspiring... truebrit71 Jun 2016 #211

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #156

She is not Progressive. Seeinghope Jun 2016 #204

Yes that's right, it was done because the AP had the info and wanted to report it first. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #84

Huge +1! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #145

in little minds, all problems relate back to hillary. she has power over everything MariaThinks Jun 2016 #14

She is clearly the Ernst Blofeld of the political world. randome Jun 2016 #25

Yep GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #42

corrupt power 840high Jun 2016 #132

It's hell to pay now. desmiller Jun 2016 #4

"This is the last straw..." thucythucy Jun 2016 #5

I've been a Democrat and this is an open forum. You have your choice and I have mine. Seeinghope Jun 2016 #16

Such a dearth of introspection. Never any consideration that you might be wrong, is that it? randome Jun 2016 #29

Good for you. thucythucy Jun 2016 #63

It's a job that needs doing. Maedhros Jun 2016 #55

There are bigger fish to try. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #6

you still aint got it yet do you? good Lord. wendylaroux Jun 2016 #10

The Democratic Party has taken enough abuse Renew Deal Jun 2016 #13

The Democratic Party has melted into the republican party. wendylaroux Jun 2016 #17

Wrong Renew Deal Jun 2016 #20

Clearly you have never known LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #36

They likes them some Reagan. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #44

People are now too young to know what a New Deal Democrat is unless they are 80. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #106

they never had unity after this sham of a primary anyway. wendylaroux Jun 2016 #7

No 100% unity as long as we still have calguy Jun 2016 #32

It has gone too far, if bernie takes this to the convention.... dubyadiprecession Jun 2016 #9

Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you. mac56 Jun 2016 #11

well that will certainly not happen now.nor should it. wendylaroux Jun 2016 #12

You didn't need an excuse for division Renew Deal Jun 2016 #19

Chances are zero, especially when this latest dirty trick backfires & Bernie supporters turn out tomorrow in droves. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #21

First stop tomorrow is my county clerk's office. Barack_America Jun 2016 #18

I would never go that far... but can't say I blame you either. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #26

We have a state/local primary in Aug,... HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #28

Count me in on that. I am waiting to vote for Alan Grayson, then I am out. n/t djean111 Jun 2016 #152

I Said The Same Thing A While Ago, AND When Our ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #196

I planned on post convention, but will bump it up to this weds. Jackilope Jun 2016 #57

40 years for me. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #163

Bye. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #85

Yep! dana_b Jun 2016 #22

How did anyone think a primary season involving America's most polarizing candidate would end? HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #24

I have to say, I'm a little surprised that even Hillary would sink to this new low. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #30

Dewey defeats Truman LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #38

So it's still blame Hillary for everything and anything. She had nothing to do with this. nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #68

I think you have Obama to thank for this. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #109

and are we to believe that before you DIDN'T want Bernie to take this to the Convention? still_one Jun 2016 #34

No, what I am saying is that once the Primaries were over there might have been some type of coming Seeinghope Jun 2016 #47

You don't speak for anyone but you upaloopa Jun 2016 #54

First of all AP reported this. Contrary to what other threads have been saying, it is in neither still_one Jun 2016 #59

Did anyone besides me see the tweet early this afternoon underthematrix Jun 2016 #37

The question would be what percentage of those early voters in California make the total votes? I still_one Jun 2016 #64

I'm a mail in voter too. underthematrix Jun 2016 #80

Besides the issues, if nothing else to show support for your candidate still_one Jun 2016 #136

... puffy socks Jun 2016 #40

K&R. and Amen. One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #45

Amen! On to Philadelphia. n/t Peregrine Took Jun 2016 #50

Damn. Fucking. Straight. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2016 #60

#NeverEVER The Corporate Dems Have Just Pissed On A Hornet's Nest... AzDar Jun 2016 #71

It's so f-ing obnoxious what they did tonight, I wonder if they can top themselves? reformist2 Jun 2016 #88

I hope Bernie takes it to the convention bigwillq Jun 2016 #75

Take it up with the AP for wanting the news scoop. Have a big noisy rally at their HQ... Hekate Jun 2016 #78

What is the "trick"? brooklynite Jun 2016 #79

Reporting the facts is a "trick." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #86

Calling her the presumptive nominee the night befor the biggest state's primary Seeinghope Jun 2016 #94

She didn't do that. The AP did. She didn't WANT that to happen because it BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #101

Isn't this the silliest attack on her? Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #147

Trust us. We've known all along you were not interested in the party or unity. NNadir Jun 2016 #81

You said what I'm thinking. writes3000 Jun 2016 #83

You are Seeinghope Jun 2016 #92

Give my regards to Susan Sarandon... NNadir Jun 2016 #159

+1. nt BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #97

+1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #149

What is wrong with lining up SD support before the first vote. Sanders did it too onenote Jun 2016 #87

It's OK if Bernie does it, don't ya know? Just like when he said BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #96

"Support" is not a vote. SDs don't vote until July 25. senz Jun 2016 #98

The post I was responding too complained that Clinton lined up SD support before the first primary onenote Jun 2016 #102

Buh-bye Gman Jun 2016 #99

Take this to the Convention and do what? brooklynite Jun 2016 #100

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #103

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #153

There is no trick. Raine1967 Jun 2016 #105

Senator Elizabeth Warren said: Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #107

And what would he do at the convention? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #108

There is nothing to "take to the convention", this is a done deal Tarc Jun 2016 #111

GMAFB. nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #114

From the AP: Democratic National Convention cancelled. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #115

Why is this Hillary's fault? She was trying hard not to clinch until tomorrow. She even eastwestdem Jun 2016 #117

That's what I initially thought democrattotheend Jun 2016 #125

But the AP and NBC called the super delegates, not the other way. I think if there is any fault by eastwestdem Jun 2016 #128

CNN is saying that Hillary has the most to lose from the announcement. musicblind Jun 2016 #138

#nevereverhillary. ever. restorefreedom Jun 2016 #119

Just totally lacking in integrity and judgment. senz Jun 2016 #121

I'd say that people posting "never Hillary" Renew Deal Jun 2016 #177

She's bad at it... jamese777 Jun 2016 #142

You are not alone in your thoughts . TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #122

Here are the delegate counts as of tonight. senz Jun 2016 #123

Luckily, there are enough sane people to cover for you and prevent BootinUp Jun 2016 #129

You think so? SmittynMo Jun 2016 #155

she didn't have a damn thing to do with it MFM008 Jun 2016 #133

God, I'll be glad when this forum goes bye bye. Number23 Jun 2016 #140

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #144

I think I must have missed something. . . . Now what? What happened? pdsimdars Jun 2016 #148

You have to remember there are always winners and losers. Vinca Jun 2016 #151

Get it out of your system. I predict a swallowing of your pride on the 16th. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #157

Kicked MaeScott Jun 2016 #167

The two party lock on our Government is dying, and I say good riddance. -nt- NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #168

Bernie followers wyldwolf Jun 2016 #169

"Trick" Dem2 Jun 2016 #171

What I don't get is bernie supporters okieinpain Jun 2016 #172

I am a Bernie supporter, and I agree. djean111 Jun 2016 #178

no trick...sanders had lost this a month ago....only fooling yourself with your ego beachbum bob Jun 2016 #176

So do I Marrah_G Jun 2016 #182

These days they barely try to hide their bias... Lodestar Jun 2016 #185

36 years has been enough snort Jun 2016 #186

Berniecrats are not going away. Their numbers are YUUUUGE. Triana Jun 2016 #188

Please see my post above, # 106. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #191

LOL! How dare she have the nerve to win! You've interrupted my whining! tritsofme Jun 2016 #190

She didn't beat Bernie Sanders by much. Considering that she had all of the Super Delegates Seeinghope Jun 2016 #192

Gamed the system every step of the way... RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #193

K&R "Never... emsimon33 Jun 2016 #194

Is this the last trick at this link? midnight Jun 2016 #195

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #198

yep kcdoug1 Jun 2016 #201

I have honestly never felt so sickened, snot Jun 2016 #203

This. nt Doremus Jun 2016 #207

You need a psychiatrist. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #208