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2016 Postmortem

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still_one

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60. Facts are amazing aren't they. That at least 10% of those who supported Bernie made a difference
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:43 PM
Nov 2016

That 11 days before the election Comey sent a letter the republicans in congress which they promptly lied and said the email investigation was being reopened, and that MSNBC took that lie and propagated out as breaking news, reiterating it through a whole parade of right wing politicians, made a difference

That every other MSM outlet filled suit with the same lie, made a difference

That fake news from facebok and google exploited the lie, made a difference

There are a lot of folks to thank for trump, especially those self identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary. They have no standing to complain, because they created this situation

Hillary and her supporters worked their hearts out. I know, I was one of them

Let me conclude with this fact:

Hillary lost Michigan by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote. Similar situation in Wisconsin and other places

Thanks for nothing progressives who refused to vote for Hillary, you have made life extremely precarious for women, people of color, gays, and quite possibly may have put civil rights, women's rights, labor rights, and the environment back at least 50 years






We are doomed [View all] Uponthegears Nov 2016 OP
You are thinking they are the same voters. What makes you believe that? boston bean Nov 2016 #1
What makes you think they are different? Uponthegears Nov 2016 #5
Dark Doesn't Describe The Hate otohara Nov 2016 #6
Thank you Uponthegears Nov 2016 #40
I'm Not White otohara Nov 2016 #45
Maybe it was this Uponthegears Nov 2016 #46
And Maybe You Left Out The First Line On Purpose otohara Nov 2016 #47
You seriously don't Uponthegears Nov 2016 #57
Yes, because it's more acceptable to hate women- and women that are smarter than the average man? bettyellen Nov 2016 #41
I'm going to let this drop Uponthegears Nov 2016 #44
Murdering 6 million people for religious reasons -Hitler pbmus Nov 2016 #53
Probably not the place Uponthegears Nov 2016 #58
Didn't Hillary get more votes than Gore or Kerry? LisaM Nov 2016 #2
And I just saw they are predicting she may have over 2,000,000 more than Trump when it's done. C Moon Nov 2016 #17
She's already got well over a million more LisaM Nov 2016 #27
Great. Yeah, I heard when the counting is complete, she may have over 2,000,000. C Moon Nov 2016 #31
Facts are amazing aren't they. That at least 10% of those who supported Bernie made a difference still_one Nov 2016 #60
I wasn't picking on Hillary or her supporters. I voted for Hillary and went numb when I saw her lose C Moon Nov 2016 #61
I assumed you did, and actually was agreeing with you still_one Nov 2016 #62
Sorry. I misread. :) C Moon Nov 2016 #65
no problem, I don't always communicate that well. Thanks still_one Nov 2016 #67
It was a lackluster performance. HassleCat Nov 2016 #3
Respectfully, I advise you to compare Trump's vote totals in Pennsylvania, Florida, Wisconsin and geek tragedy Nov 2016 #4
Okay Uponthegears Nov 2016 #9
Pennsylvania was over a 7% increase in votes for Trump. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #10
Actually I was a little further off than than Uponthegears Nov 2016 #13
that one state was enough to swing the presidency geek tragedy Nov 2016 #15
True enough Uponthegears Nov 2016 #18
lots of mistakes get revealed when one loses. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #21
Yes, and Clinton was way behind Obama Uponthegears Nov 2016 #14
the party needs to own this too. Clinton and her campaign were certainly flawed. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #16
1 jimlup Nov 2016 #7
She and Bill will no longer directly participate in presidential campaigns and that is good BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #8
I'll preface this by saying I have great admiration for years in public service and her amazing geek tragedy Nov 2016 #11
Really good analysis...to the end. Wilms Nov 2016 #12
I'm sure the Trump voters have some idea of what you're bashing about! yallerdawg Nov 2016 #24
Enough voters switched from Obama to Trump to elect the latter President. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #25
I know of no voters who switched from Obama to Trump. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #29
Trump has about the same total as McCain and Rmoney Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #30
We don't know if they stayed home, though. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #34
Your last paragraph Uponthegears Nov 2016 #48
The toxic icing on the cake was the deplorables comment... Raster Nov 2016 #39
Yeah, and that was planned, not impromptu. nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #63
Yes. She did have pneumonia at the time. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #64
.........sigh......... alittlelark Nov 2016 #19
Doomed? Please get a grip. kstewart33 Nov 2016 #20
I live in Alabama, where... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #22
I live in South Carolina, and they guy who supposedly represents me in Congress GoCubsGo Nov 2016 #32
Which Democrat will carry Alabama in a presidential race? SMC22307 Nov 2016 #66
Are you familiar with Nixon's 'southern strategy'... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #68
All of the Trump voters I've talked with voted against Hillary, not for Trump. Kablooie Nov 2016 #23
Of course .....none will admit to the prejudices that moved them to Laurian Nov 2016 #26
I think the FBI and Russia had something to do with it. lark Nov 2016 #28
It's a tried and true tactic to come out and loudly accuse the other of what you're afraid you might bettyellen Nov 2016 #42
Last I checked wysi Nov 2016 #33
You're spot on. fleabiscuit Nov 2016 #35
I've lately been having a rational discussion... wysi Nov 2016 #37
I empathize (CA here). The argument that if we abandoned moonscape Nov 2016 #70
La,La,La,La - She Can't Hear You otohara Nov 2016 #51
Clearly not wysi Nov 2016 #52
Bullshit. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #36
Now Uponthegears Nov 2016 #38
That's a fair point. In my view this was a change election. ... spin Nov 2016 #43
Or how Obama faced more sexism. fleabiscuit Nov 2016 #69
I think we're doomed by blaming her LibraLiz1973 Nov 2016 #49
For the record- LibraLiz1973 Nov 2016 #54
she lost because of "racism, misogyny, xenophobia, an Islamophobia." jmg257 Nov 2016 #55
People always vote for "change" especially when one party has been in "power" for 8 years. TrekLuver Nov 2016 #50
Swastikas Are USA Now - Change otohara Nov 2016 #56
Not in my USA...I'm not handing it over to these assholes. Let's all remember that segregation was TrekLuver Nov 2016 #59
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