2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: so we have a racist piece of shit being posted because she calls Bernie a racist [View all]Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)perspective.
Here you have a group of people who- many of them- are completely enamored with Hillary the brand, or what Hillary as a candidate represents in their heads, or otherwise over-identified with her in such a way that there is some sort of deep emotional thing going on-- I really think, after observing for a while; that Hillary represents something, some salve or vindication or 'payback' or what have you for some subconscious or deeply buried dealio in some of these folks' lives.
It would be easy to say, "well, they just want a female President"- and many HRC supporters acknowledge as much... certainly, I think it's past time for a woman President, too, but that's not the only criteria-- but it was made pretty clear early on that for whatever reason, Liz Warren- who many of us really would have liked to see in the race- would NOT have satisfied that particular whatever-it-is, that HRC does.
And no small part of it is that, in the minds of many of this crowd, Hillary was 'robbed' in 2008 and they're still mad- but beyond that, again, she seems to be an icon in these folks' heads of something which is wildly removed from anywhere she is actually likely to govern.
Which is the bottom line, here, as far as I'm concerned- I've sort of assumed from the get-go that Hillary would be the nominee, I think odds are pretty good (but not a slam dunk) that she still will be, and all along I've been okay with that. Not hugely excited, because I understand that would likely mean a lot of status quo, potentially some policy worse than Obama (who I think will be remembered better, by history, than folks realize) but en masse not a whole lot of exciting stuff either way. Which is fine, I'd much rather have a status quo establishment Democrat than the clusterfuck promised by any of the GOP clowns. I was open to supporting her at the beginning but my fear was always that she was going to run this horrible, poll-tested, out of touch, empty platitude and pablum campaign.
When she got rolling with the soft-focus video and "I want to empower communities and families" I went, "oh fuck, here we go"
If you look over at that other site, the hate for Sanders is palpable-- and frankly, more than a little unhinged. Really, one wonders what it is they hate SO MUCH about this man who, whether or not one is gonna support him in the primaries, has undeniably spent his career fighting for progressive causes. It baffles, until you realize that it wouldn't matter who the fuck Sanders was, what matters is he's throwing a wrench into the inevitability machine, and ITS HER TURN and if she doesn't win again it will be SO. NOT. FAIR.
and then they turn around and call the Sanders people "cultists". It's fucking goofy.