2016 Postmortem

1StrongBlackMan

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90. While it is possible ...

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:19 PM

Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:12 PM - Edit history (1)

he will have to:

1) limit the number of unforced errors ... i.e., give time to racial justice in a way that does not make it seem that it is an "Oh, yeah ..." after-thought. Possible doing an (a series of) event(s) where he speaks exclusively to racial justice (but I honestly think that is counter to his nature ... See: Bernie's "frustration" with SNCC);

2) Increase his exposure in Black spaces; and,

3) In those racial justice (exclusively) events, speak directly to his more "enthusiastic" supporters.

Failing that ... No, I do not suspect he will do better.

But the above poses a real risk that he will alienate a segment of his supporters ... particularly, those of his more "enthusiastic" supporters.

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I'm sitting with my black relatives, by the way I'm black and we aren't buying into Hillary's [View all] JRLeft Oct 2015 OP

Unfortunately that begs the question, whose BS -are- you buying into? HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #1

No it isn't and here's why. One candidate has a long, consistent record that voters can check sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #9

Well that looks like a strarter to a productive conversation jberryhill Oct 2015 #2

There you have it. artislife Oct 2015 #92

What sort of conversation does the OP invite jberryhill Oct 2015 #94

Ok. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #3

Because Hillaryites have been claiming she has the brown & black vote locked up peacebird Oct 2015 #76

She could still win the majority but it not a lock by any stretch of the means. JRLeft Oct 2015 #81

Now your are sensitive to using race in a political OP artislife Oct 2015 #115

What? JRLeft Oct 2015 #119

Reply artislife Oct 2015 #122

I am gay and I can't stand either Clinton. I believe they are a pox on the party. nt m-lekktor Oct 2015 #4

There are a lot of black people who know the Clinton's are as corrupt as multinational corporate JRLeft Oct 2015 #5

Corrupt how? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6

Corporate owned. Taking money from industries harming the globe is corruption. JRLeft Oct 2015 #8

Not to mention the Private Prison Industry. I hear all the excuses as to why she doesn't need sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #13

Can you post one link to a legitimate news story about upaloopa Oct 2015 #14

You supprt CU then?? You see nothing wrong with taking unlimited amounts of money from people sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #45

Her biggest donors are unions. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #22

Who's pouring money into her Super Pacs?? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #46

Keep plugging your ears and denying. JRLeft Oct 2015 #18

So naive. 840high Oct 2015 #95

Then How Do You Explain Why Hillary Is Doing So Well In The AA Community?.... global1 Oct 2015 #34

Because AA community tends to vote for the Democrat they believe has the best chance of winning AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #36

If we have a legitimate alternative candidate, a lot of us will switch. JRLeft Oct 2015 #39

her personal approvals are actually high among african americans and other minorities JI7 Oct 2015 #43

Just like they were in 08 AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #44

in 2008 she kept her non black minority voters. and even black people who voted for Obama JI7 Oct 2015 #48

They eviscerated her once they switched to Obama AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #58

nope. you still refuse to acknowledge that they were voting FOR Obama JI7 Oct 2015 #72

Wrong most of us wanted her no where near the white house. JRLeft Oct 2015 #73

that's not true which is why she leads right now among all minority groups JI7 Oct 2015 #74

No it's very much true, but keep believing that. JRLeft Oct 2015 #75

i look at the facts JI7 Oct 2015 #78

I'm taking about black people. JRLeft Oct 2015 #80

the same is true for all minority groups right now JI7 Oct 2015 #82

What I said was factual the Clinton's pissed off most black community with their dog whistle JRLeft Oct 2015 #86

IOWs, the Black vote FOR Candidate Obama ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #62

Is that absolutism coming from HRCers or/and Berniers? Hortensis Oct 2015 #68

Sorry ... I'm not understanding the question. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #69

"Anecdotally, I am sensing Hortensis Oct 2015 #70

While it is possible ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #90

Thanks for the thoughtful answer, 1Strong. Hortensis Oct 2015 #91

I have slight edited my previous response to make a proximate point ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #93

Well, if he can't win without a substantial portion of the Black vote, Hortensis Oct 2015 #118

Last night, I was at an event last night ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #123

Whoa, thanks for the warnings. I am frequently clueless. Hortensis Oct 2015 #124

No group is a monolith... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #77

But Candidate Obama's approval numbers among the Black electorate ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #60

She's not as popular as you think she. She has name recognition. JRLeft Oct 2015 #51

She will lose a lot of that support, and actually we have no clue what the support is since so many sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #50

Haven't you heard? MADem Oct 2015 #101

And according to another, black people are "owned" by Clinton. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #102

You're going to show me a link, of course, so I can verify this "slave" reference to which you MADem Oct 2015 #103

Sure. here you go. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #104

Here's the post I rec'd in its entirety. Not sure where you're getting your slavery allusions. MADem Oct 2015 #105

Where did I say anything about slavery, MADem? Or call you a homophobe? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #109

When you talk about black people being "owned"--as you did upthread, you are talking about slavery. MADem Oct 2015 #110

Copy and paste all you like. Just besure to actually read what you're C/P'ing Scootaloo Oct 2015 #111

What was bigoted about that post? Answer--NOTHING. It was a political analysis of MADem Oct 2015 #112

Re-read the post. Think about it. And for fuck's sake, pay attention to the LGBT part Scootaloo Oct 2015 #113

Thought so. You got nuthin. MADem Oct 2015 #114

Since this accusation you made has been shown to be a complete falsehood, I'm retaining this MADem Oct 2015 #106

Hear that all the time! Nothin new. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #35

As an AA woman, I have a long memory. Nedsdag Oct 2015 #7

Her racist bullshit was garbage, but her donor base is dangerous. JRLeft Oct 2015 #10

So, from your perspective, Nedsdag, may I ask what is the feeling you get from the AA community as ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #12

My father hates the Clinton's because of the way they treated Obama. JRLeft Oct 2015 #15

The more Bernie talks, the more I like him. Nedsdag Oct 2015 #16

Hillary supporters don't expect you to do a damned upaloopa Oct 2015 #17

Keep it up and I will vote for Bernie. Nedsdag Oct 2015 #20

No. No one assumes that. She earns her votes. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #24

And Bernie hasn't "earned their votes"? Nedsdag Oct 2015 #26

According to polling, no. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #29

You seriously write, 'opened offices in Harlem, fights for global human rights, and helps Africa' Dawgs Oct 2015 #31

Problem with your logic here is that the Crime Bill is owned by Bill Clinton and not by Hillary but Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #52

What ? lol Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #61

She's been sticking it to the NYPD for racial killings since Amadou Diallo. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #63

What office does she have in Harlem ? as you stated in previous Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #64

The poster has no idea WTF he/she is talking about. JRLeft Oct 2015 #65

I'm seeing that now Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #66

Wall Street LMFAO! JRLeft Oct 2015 #67

I don't remember anything about 2008 except upaloopa Oct 2015 #25

The whole internet was an anti-Hillary mosh pit AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #47

Welcome aboard the Bernie Express! Enjoy the ride! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #37

Yes they do, I remember Rahm Emmanuel saying where else are they going to go. JRLeft Oct 2015 #79

Supporting Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign for president was the proudest experience of my life. StevieM Oct 2015 #21

She used code words. Nedsdag Oct 2015 #23

Who can forget that one? Shameful! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #38

Me, either, Nedsdag. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #107

I've heard the quote demwing Oct 2015 #30

Well read this artislife Oct 2015 #117

Nedsdag, do you have any theory on why more people in the AA community don't think this way? LondonReign2 Oct 2015 #55

This is a great post. Number23 Oct 2015 #96

I think the story line that African Americans don't like Bernie is pure propaganda and serves more Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #11

A damn lie! Started by whose campaign I wonder? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #41

I think you are reacting according to how the conservative propoaganda wants you to. Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #53

Most never heard or they have but vaguely remember him. JRLeft Oct 2015 #49

She's terrified that she is going to lose the African American vote Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #97

Translation, conservative groups can run divisive storylines pitting Democratic against each other Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #100

So, you are black. angel123 Oct 2015 #19

I do not want bought and paid for candidates. Hillary is owned by Wall Street. JRLeft Oct 2015 #56

You haven't been here long enough to know artislife Oct 2015 #116

Well hey with a well reasoned workinclasszero Oct 2015 #27

Did they say anything about Bernie? Dawgs Oct 2015 #32

Most of my family friends have no idea who he is. JRLeft Oct 2015 #40

I would suggest you vote for Bernie in the primary then n/t Dem2 Oct 2015 #28

Hey! There are Black and Gay republicans too! Walk away Oct 2015 #33

So?!?! tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #42

All of my AA inlaws are for HRC arely staircase Oct 2015 #54

I would say wasting a vote on Hillary is white privilege, because that's who wins under Third Way JRLeft Oct 2015 #59

So how have the current AG and her predecessor worked out for them? Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #121

Oh Yeah! Faux pas Oct 2015 #57

I'm very aware of her true constituency. JRLeft Oct 2015 #71

and you all will be real angryvet Oct 2015 #83

I feel support growing in the AA community Kalidurga Oct 2015 #84

Bernie has helped the poor for years he's the only candidate speaking up for the poor. JRLeft Oct 2015 #88

Thank you. Bullshit is a perfect word for it too. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #85

If they are all buying into Sanders... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #87

They like what they've heard so far but haven't made a decision yet. JRLeft Oct 2015 #89

Hopefully they continue to like what they see jfern Oct 2015 #98

As much as they despise Hillary they don't want a Republican in the White House. JRLeft Oct 2015 #99

:fistbump: WillyT Oct 2015 #108

I think blacks are not buying into anything.. DCBob Oct 2015 #120