2016 Postmortem

1StrongBlackMan

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123. Last night, I was at an event last night ...

Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:05 AM

Oct 2015

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It was a political/social event, attended (largely) by a politically/socially active, economically diverse, African-American crowd (and of course a smattering of non-Black politicians and corporate types ... you know, doing the "minority outreach" thing).

I recounted this exchange and someone (a Black undecided voter) added: If the Liberty event had been proceeded by a couple racial justice only events, the "going into the Lion's Den" move would have been seen as a ballsy move ... expanding his message and out reach to non-tradition spaces; but, given the lack of traction among, and sustained out-reach to, the Black electorate, the message heard was, "We will expand our base among non-traditional spaces, TO MAKE UP FOR our lack of traction in the Black electorate."

While, I do not believe/hope like hell that was (oops, ETA: NOT) the calculus, I was surprised to hear it ... as I had typed that very concern(?) ... shortly after the Liberty event.

Apparently up there in white-flight Vermont it never occurred to him he'd have a genuine black problem, which is a joke on him; but by now, after so many clueless stumbles, he's probably paying good attention, especially to Black advisers. He also has to know by now that Black voting rates have been topping White.

LOL ... Watch yourself! That "white flight Vermont" comment was the met with much derision and more than a few alerts! LOL.

Speaking of Black advisors ... where IS Cornell West these post-"South Carolina Meet Bernie" days? Again, absence noticed and optics not good.

some Blacks will also be centrists by nature.

I would argue that MOST Blacks are ... {speaking in a hushed tone} ... "centrists". And that, outside the walls of DU, is not a slur (not saying you are using the word that way ... but if you haven't seen, DU:Search the word "centrist" and weep).

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I'm sitting with my black relatives, by the way I'm black and we aren't buying into Hillary's [View all] JRLeft Oct 2015 OP

Unfortunately that begs the question, whose BS -are- you buying into? HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #1

No it isn't and here's why. One candidate has a long, consistent record that voters can check sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #9

Well that looks like a strarter to a productive conversation jberryhill Oct 2015 #2

There you have it. artislife Oct 2015 #92

What sort of conversation does the OP invite jberryhill Oct 2015 #94

Ok. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #3

Because Hillaryites have been claiming she has the brown & black vote locked up peacebird Oct 2015 #76

She could still win the majority but it not a lock by any stretch of the means. JRLeft Oct 2015 #81

Now your are sensitive to using race in a political OP artislife Oct 2015 #115

What? JRLeft Oct 2015 #119

Reply artislife Oct 2015 #122

I am gay and I can't stand either Clinton. I believe they are a pox on the party. nt m-lekktor Oct 2015 #4

There are a lot of black people who know the Clinton's are as corrupt as multinational corporate JRLeft Oct 2015 #5

Corrupt how? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6

Corporate owned. Taking money from industries harming the globe is corruption. JRLeft Oct 2015 #8

Not to mention the Private Prison Industry. I hear all the excuses as to why she doesn't need sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #13

Can you post one link to a legitimate news story about upaloopa Oct 2015 #14

You supprt CU then?? You see nothing wrong with taking unlimited amounts of money from people sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #45

Her biggest donors are unions. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #22

Who's pouring money into her Super Pacs?? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #46

Keep plugging your ears and denying. JRLeft Oct 2015 #18

So naive. 840high Oct 2015 #95

Then How Do You Explain Why Hillary Is Doing So Well In The AA Community?.... global1 Oct 2015 #34

Because AA community tends to vote for the Democrat they believe has the best chance of winning AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #36

If we have a legitimate alternative candidate, a lot of us will switch. JRLeft Oct 2015 #39

her personal approvals are actually high among african americans and other minorities JI7 Oct 2015 #43

Just like they were in 08 AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #44

in 2008 she kept her non black minority voters. and even black people who voted for Obama JI7 Oct 2015 #48

They eviscerated her once they switched to Obama AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #58

nope. you still refuse to acknowledge that they were voting FOR Obama JI7 Oct 2015 #72

Wrong most of us wanted her no where near the white house. JRLeft Oct 2015 #73

that's not true which is why she leads right now among all minority groups JI7 Oct 2015 #74

No it's very much true, but keep believing that. JRLeft Oct 2015 #75

i look at the facts JI7 Oct 2015 #78

I'm taking about black people. JRLeft Oct 2015 #80

the same is true for all minority groups right now JI7 Oct 2015 #82

What I said was factual the Clinton's pissed off most black community with their dog whistle JRLeft Oct 2015 #86

IOWs, the Black vote FOR Candidate Obama ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #62

Is that absolutism coming from HRCers or/and Berniers? Hortensis Oct 2015 #68

Sorry ... I'm not understanding the question. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #69

"Anecdotally, I am sensing Hortensis Oct 2015 #70

While it is possible ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #90

Thanks for the thoughtful answer, 1Strong. Hortensis Oct 2015 #91

I have slight edited my previous response to make a proximate point ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #93

Well, if he can't win without a substantial portion of the Black vote, Hortensis Oct 2015 #118

Last night, I was at an event last night ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #123

Whoa, thanks for the warnings. I am frequently clueless. Hortensis Oct 2015 #124

No group is a monolith... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #77

But Candidate Obama's approval numbers among the Black electorate ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #60

She's not as popular as you think she. She has name recognition. JRLeft Oct 2015 #51

She will lose a lot of that support, and actually we have no clue what the support is since so many sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #50

Haven't you heard? MADem Oct 2015 #101

And according to another, black people are "owned" by Clinton. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #102

You're going to show me a link, of course, so I can verify this "slave" reference to which you MADem Oct 2015 #103

Sure. here you go. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #104

Here's the post I rec'd in its entirety. Not sure where you're getting your slavery allusions. MADem Oct 2015 #105

Where did I say anything about slavery, MADem? Or call you a homophobe? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #109

When you talk about black people being "owned"--as you did upthread, you are talking about slavery. MADem Oct 2015 #110

Copy and paste all you like. Just besure to actually read what you're C/P'ing Scootaloo Oct 2015 #111

What was bigoted about that post? Answer--NOTHING. It was a political analysis of MADem Oct 2015 #112

Re-read the post. Think about it. And for fuck's sake, pay attention to the LGBT part Scootaloo Oct 2015 #113

Thought so. You got nuthin. MADem Oct 2015 #114

Since this accusation you made has been shown to be a complete falsehood, I'm retaining this MADem Oct 2015 #106

Hear that all the time! Nothin new. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #35

As an AA woman, I have a long memory. Nedsdag Oct 2015 #7

Her racist bullshit was garbage, but her donor base is dangerous. JRLeft Oct 2015 #10

So, from your perspective, Nedsdag, may I ask what is the feeling you get from the AA community as ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #12

My father hates the Clinton's because of the way they treated Obama. JRLeft Oct 2015 #15

The more Bernie talks, the more I like him. Nedsdag Oct 2015 #16

Hillary supporters don't expect you to do a damned upaloopa Oct 2015 #17

Keep it up and I will vote for Bernie. Nedsdag Oct 2015 #20

No. No one assumes that. She earns her votes. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #24

And Bernie hasn't "earned their votes"? Nedsdag Oct 2015 #26

According to polling, no. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #29

You seriously write, 'opened offices in Harlem, fights for global human rights, and helps Africa' Dawgs Oct 2015 #31

Problem with your logic here is that the Crime Bill is owned by Bill Clinton and not by Hillary but Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #52

What ? lol Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #61

She's been sticking it to the NYPD for racial killings since Amadou Diallo. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #63

What office does she have in Harlem ? as you stated in previous Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #64

The poster has no idea WTF he/she is talking about. JRLeft Oct 2015 #65

I'm seeing that now Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #66

Wall Street LMFAO! JRLeft Oct 2015 #67

I don't remember anything about 2008 except upaloopa Oct 2015 #25

The whole internet was an anti-Hillary mosh pit AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #47

Welcome aboard the Bernie Express! Enjoy the ride! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #37

Yes they do, I remember Rahm Emmanuel saying where else are they going to go. JRLeft Oct 2015 #79

Supporting Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign for president was the proudest experience of my life. StevieM Oct 2015 #21

She used code words. Nedsdag Oct 2015 #23

Who can forget that one? Shameful! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #38

Me, either, Nedsdag. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #107

I've heard the quote demwing Oct 2015 #30

Well read this artislife Oct 2015 #117

Nedsdag, do you have any theory on why more people in the AA community don't think this way? LondonReign2 Oct 2015 #55

This is a great post. Number23 Oct 2015 #96

I think the story line that African Americans don't like Bernie is pure propaganda and serves more Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #11

A damn lie! Started by whose campaign I wonder? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #41

I think you are reacting according to how the conservative propoaganda wants you to. Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #53

Most never heard or they have but vaguely remember him. JRLeft Oct 2015 #49

She's terrified that she is going to lose the African American vote Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #97

Translation, conservative groups can run divisive storylines pitting Democratic against each other Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #100

So, you are black. angel123 Oct 2015 #19

I do not want bought and paid for candidates. Hillary is owned by Wall Street. JRLeft Oct 2015 #56

You haven't been here long enough to know artislife Oct 2015 #116

Well hey with a well reasoned workinclasszero Oct 2015 #27

Did they say anything about Bernie? Dawgs Oct 2015 #32

Most of my family friends have no idea who he is. JRLeft Oct 2015 #40

I would suggest you vote for Bernie in the primary then n/t Dem2 Oct 2015 #28

Hey! There are Black and Gay republicans too! Walk away Oct 2015 #33

So?!?! tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #42

All of my AA inlaws are for HRC arely staircase Oct 2015 #54

I would say wasting a vote on Hillary is white privilege, because that's who wins under Third Way JRLeft Oct 2015 #59

So how have the current AG and her predecessor worked out for them? Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #121

Oh Yeah! Faux pas Oct 2015 #57

I'm very aware of her true constituency. JRLeft Oct 2015 #71

and you all will be real angryvet Oct 2015 #83

I feel support growing in the AA community Kalidurga Oct 2015 #84

Bernie has helped the poor for years he's the only candidate speaking up for the poor. JRLeft Oct 2015 #88

Thank you. Bullshit is a perfect word for it too. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #85

If they are all buying into Sanders... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #87

They like what they've heard so far but haven't made a decision yet. JRLeft Oct 2015 #89

Hopefully they continue to like what they see jfern Oct 2015 #98

As much as they despise Hillary they don't want a Republican in the White House. JRLeft Oct 2015 #99

:fistbump: WillyT Oct 2015 #108

I think blacks are not buying into anything.. DCBob Oct 2015 #120