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Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:05 PM Feb 2015

ReadyForSomeoneElse.org, for comment - draft "opening statement" [View all]

The following is a draft of what I'm thinking about for the home page of ReadyForSomeoneElse.org, as provoked by this mess. Comments deeply appreciated!

Also please let me know, via DU Mail if you'd prefer, if you have any interest in participating. I'm not sure what "participating" means, but I'm open to suggestions. The goal is to build something that helps other understand why we think that the Democratic Party needs to be overhauled, with FDR Democrats put at the helm.

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No, this isn’t a site filled with pictures of Hillary with Hitler mustaches drawn in, or stories about how the Clintons had people secretly murdered, or any of that kind of stupid/crazy stuff.

This is a site maintained by Democrats who believe that nominating Hillary Clinton to be the 2016 Democratic candidate for President would be a pretty bad idea. The details of our arguments are presented on this site, but here’s the short version:

Hillary, and her fellow Third-Way Democrats have run our Party for more than 20 years. During that time, things have certainly worked out well for the wealthiest Americans – heck, they’ve never done better – but things have gone very badly for the rest of us who aren’t wealthy.

Whether you believe that Democrats or Republicans have been responsible for the rich getting richer and everyone else having to work harder to scrape by, we cannot escape the fact that Hillary and her fellow Third Wayers have led our Party during this terrible time. Either they have actively contributed to our woes, or have been unsuccessful in stopping Republicans, or (as we believe) both.

Instead of continuing the same ideas and policies that have failed us, we must return to ideas and policies that work. Ideas and policies that have worked for Americans in the past, and which continue to work in other countries where they’re followed today.

Hillary and her branch of the Democratic Party represent a failed past; it seems obvious that a different future is needed to turn things around for the rest of Americans, for those of us who aren’t wealthy.


Questions and Answers
Q: Aren’t you just telling people why they should vote for the Republican in 2016 if Hillary’s the nominee?
A: No. We think Hillary as the nominee is a bad idea for many reasons, but it’s almost impossible to conceive of a Republican nominee that would be better for America. If Hillary is the nominee, we will vote for her; slow decline is preferable to quick decline. The exception would be if there’s another candidate who 1) has a track record of fighting for traditional Democratic values and 2)has a reasonable chance of winning the election.

Q: Aren’t you just creating ammunition for Republicans to use if Hillary’s the nominee?
A: It’s pretty hard to believe that a few of us messing around on a web site in our spare time will be able to unearth any information that the Republicans won’t be able to obtain on their own with many millions to spend on “opposition research” and so forth.
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Simple and clear, therefore hard to misrepresent. Dragonfli Feb 2015 #1
Why define yourself by nothing more than what your hate? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #2
"we must return to ideas and policies that work" MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #3
Okay.n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #6
You do lead with Hillary though, rather than with who "we" are. merrily Feb 2015 #40
Why label it as hate? We all love HRC, just think it would harm the 99% rhett o rick Feb 2015 #4
I didn't mention HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #7
Well one of us thinks you are very clever. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #30
Opposition is not hate demwing Feb 2015 #8
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #11
glad you agree.../NT demwing Feb 2015 #14
Where is the hate? It isn't hate. It's wanting to win not just for the Democratic JDPriestly Feb 2015 #27
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #35
It's a decent start, but to edit is human .... Scuba Feb 2015 #5
All good points MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #9
You don't have to get bogged down on the home page. You can always link. merrily Feb 2015 #41
Time to bring back this post: "A Platform to Affirm Fundamental Human Rights" demwing Feb 2015 #10
Thank you for that. That thread should be pinned. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Cryptoad Feb 2015 #12
Can you be specific? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #13
Common Knowledge does not have to be cited.... Cryptoad Feb 2015 #18
Sorta like why we knew when we invaded Iraq MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #20
Yes it is and I said you could simply end what is self evident Dragonfli Feb 2015 #22
No need for personal attacks, heh? Cryptoad Feb 2015 #23
No I really do find you odd my observation was not meant as an attack Dragonfli Feb 2015 #24
lol Cryptoad Feb 2015 #25
Do you have anything you would like to contribute to making this a better country? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #33
Then stop. /nt Dragonfli Feb 2015 #21
I think you should feature.... PosterChild Feb 2015 #15
Agree, and definately should drop the FAQ, it is distracting/defensive whereisjustice Feb 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #16
Pin of the week demwing Feb 2015 #17
Just brainstorming here... PosterChild Feb 2015 #19
I'd put TPP as perhaps the single most important distinction between Democrats and their Party... whereisjustice Feb 2015 #26
tks. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #28
K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #29
fwiw, here's my edit, flog away whereisjustice Feb 2015 #31
There's good stuff there. Thanks for taking the time and effort. Scuba Feb 2015 #34
Thanks for the post. I think we should have a pinned thread here that details the damage rhett o rick Feb 2015 #37
Excellent idea. Won't be hard to find the supporting evidence at this point. I'll try to dig up a whereisjustice Feb 2015 #39
"Hard choices have to be made to bring back opportunity for all Americans. We need somebody other whereisjustice Feb 2015 #38
Great opening salvo Manny. merrily Feb 2015 #42
Since 2002, no Dem who voted Yes on the Iraq War has won the presidency Dems to Win Feb 2015 #43
All I can say is... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #44
Nice start on the site. antiquie Mar 2015 #45
A different slant semanticwikiian Mar 2015 #46
another graphical device semanticwikiian Mar 2015 #48
i like the faq - it's a critical CONTEXT statement for the site semanticwikiian Mar 2015 #47
The only nit I would pick with this is the double mention of HRC. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #49
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