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aikoaiko

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165. I get it. All you see is the good and good intention of HRC.

Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:10 PM

Jan 2020

But not everyone does - like suspicous coal miners.

The phrase, “Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right Tim? ” was a trigger that all the supportive words and policies couldn’t redeem.

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Biden to coal miners "Learn to code." [View all] Quixote1818 Dec 2019 OP

He just wrote the script for a tRump TV advertisment. Joe941 Dec 2019 #1

Some would like to think that, but he didn't. People should look at EXACTLY what he said.... George II Dec 2019 #8

Where is his full statement? I read the link but perhaps missed it.. pangaia Dec 2019 #19

Here's some video redqueen Jan 2020 #144

thanks..... pangaia Jan 2020 #162

George, you know the Press won't present the entire statement. Blue_true Dec 2019 #105

"the script for a tRump TV advertisment" crazytown Dec 2019 #10

I think the Ukraine story shows he doesn't have Teflon... brooklynite Dec 2019 #116

Anyone who lets Biden talk a hit over the Ukraine 'story' is doing dumps work for him. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #120

That's true about Joe... good observation. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #176

This is his this attempt to secure the nomination. redqueen Jan 2020 #145

What I am talking about is a poor (or worse) choice of words crazytown Jan 2020 #147

really, you think miners are too dumb to learn coding? OKNancy Dec 2019 #15

Do you think that is good advice? Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #21

Absolutely. John Fante Dec 2019 #43

While true it's not good politics. Joe941 Dec 2019 #59

Biden's words can be reformed to talk about training for the jobs of the future. Blue_true Dec 2019 #108

Nor is instructing anyone to be respectful so they don't get shot. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #207

That statement is taken out of context. Joe941 Jan 2020 #215

The chances of transitioning from coal miner Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #101

Turn "coding" into "the jobs of the future". Blue_true Dec 2019 #114

They need jobs of the now. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #134

It wasn't just a flippant "Learn to code" to a coal worker Hav Jan 2020 #137

Sure. Perhaps you can discuss this rephrasing with Biden's advisors. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #138

I have to explain it to those Hav Jan 2020 #139

See post 138. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #140

See post 139 Hav Jan 2020 #142

I realize it can be tough to infer the obvious. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #209

It's not like he told them to write a best selling book. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #153

Right. The advice seems a bit out of touch. Joe941 Dec 2019 #117

A lot of truth to what you wrote Joe. Blue_true Jan 2020 #171

That's why we need a lot more government funding for retraining programs. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #219

Young miners and their children learning the skills of the future is the only way Blue_true Dec 2019 #107

The younger ones might have a chance. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #109

See my other post, they don't all have to relocate. Blue_true Dec 2019 #118

The outsourcing goes to tech centers Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #133

So my ideas are a "fantasy", but free college, MFA, high paying jobs when Blue_true Jan 2020 #172

Actual proposals to implement the public Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #173

It is clear the both must be done simultaneously. Blue_true Jan 2020 #194

Your ideas (and the supporting "public infrastructure" ) were part of the 2016 Democratic Platform, lapucelle Jan 2020 #188

I know. Hillary had a comprohensive vision for people in coal country, they bought the words of a Blue_true Jan 2020 #195

What would YOU suggest? Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #227

I don't have a good solution. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #231

How is it condescending? Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #232

So a middle aged person should Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #234

I think that's a bit out of context.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #237

It's not a matter of "dumb"... regnaD kciN Dec 2019 #44

Many coal miners are not dumb mvd Dec 2019 #93

You don't know anything about "coding". brutus smith Dec 2019 #58

I think the jobs are no more connected than being a miner pnwmom Dec 2019 #79

Yes, pretty sure the initial reaction for many was that Hortensis Jan 2020 #127

"Everyone knows "coding" is shorthand for developing a new, marketable skill" redqueen Jan 2020 #146

So, you took this to mean he called for 60,000 people Hortensis Jan 2020 #157

"learn to code" has been read as tone-deaf, overly simplistic, and just bad advice redqueen Jan 2020 #158

Drop the ball for your own good. It's coated with poison. Hortensis Jan 2020 #159

Every one does know. But many wait for the slightest opportunity to pounce on Biden, so they emmaverybo Jan 2020 #190

They have to know they're pushing Repub/Russian Hortensis Jan 2020 #191

Hortensis, you tell the hard truths. Some collaborate willingly, others, unknowingly. emmaverybo Jan 2020 #192

And probably most are unwilling to know. Hortensis Jan 2020 #193

No they are not and to imply otherwise is an elitist insult. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #218

Joe, you're so right; cant believe Biden said that! He needs new advisors to help his campaign. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #34

I'm thinking we're going to need a "What self-destructive thing did Joe say today?" thread... regnaD kciN Dec 2019 #48

Totally agree with your post. Joe is a ticking time bomb, riding Obama's coat strings! chimpymustgo Jan 2020 #129

Agree. There's constant scrambling to clarify what ol' Joe said. SMC22307 Jan 2020 #186

Has Dotard brought the coal mining jobs back, as he treestar Dec 2019 #53

Exactly..My husband works for RR and his dumb co workers listened to Trump about coal.. helpisontheway Dec 2019 #92

Well, Blue_true Dec 2019 #103

A gaffe, crazytown Dec 2019 #2

Why is speaking truth a gaffe? bitterross Dec 2019 #38

It is not truth. Jirel Jan 2020 #201

Very well and comprehensively stated The Mouth Jan 2020 #208

I'm seeing a lot of criticism, but what's your alternative? Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #228

Ummm .... anyone who could can go down 3000 feet and throw coal into a furnace pnwmom Dec 2019 #3

geez thats scary thinking about the conditions miners work in...they are tough! samnsara Dec 2019 #55

Oddly, that makes more sense than telling them their jobs are coming back. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #4

That's misrepresenting what he said. Why do people feel the need to do that? George II Dec 2019 #5

Thereby offending both groups BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #6

Are you sure they're not Russian trolls? TruthTeller0505 Dec 2019 #33

Lol, ok BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #39

I don't know what the solution is, but coal mining is on it's way out. RandySF Dec 2019 #7

The solution has to be to provide services to retrain workers for a different job. Caliman73 Dec 2019 #61

They want to hear one thing RandySF Dec 2019 #67

Of course they do. Caliman73 Dec 2019 #69

++ 1000x NJCher Dec 2019 #70

I truly believe that we owe them that. Caliman73 Dec 2019 #75

The government has been using that line for decades. redqueen Jan 2020 #148

Or we actually have to do them. Caliman73 Jan 2020 #203

No, it's paid for. The government pays for it. redqueen Jan 2020 #205

Thank you. Why is that so difficult for many on this site to grasp? SMC22307 Jan 2020 #163

Is he not telling the truth? TruthTeller0505 Dec 2019 #9

I don't think it's so much about the coal mining jobs, it's his solution which far, far from reality brutus smith Dec 2019 #64

Yes he is telling the truth. Caliman73 Dec 2019 #66

I like your answer better TruthTeller0505 Dec 2019 #76

I like Bernie too, and Elizabeth, and Julian... Caliman73 Dec 2019 #84

Absolutely true. TruthTeller0505 Dec 2019 #99

Not sure how realistic it is Hav Dec 2019 #11

This isn't new OKNancy Dec 2019 #12

LOL while looking for an article about this... Bloomberg has some haters OKNancy Dec 2019 #13

"...sat down for his weekly, three-hour, Saturday morning news-reading session." SMC22307 Jan 2020 #185

WV only has around 14,000 people working in the coal industry IronLionZion Dec 2019 #14

I've no problem with his comments. David__77 Dec 2019 #16

That video contains two parts of Biden's answer - the start and end - skipping context in themiddle Otto Lidenbrock Dec 2019 #72

Thanks for adding context! David__77 Dec 2019 #73

me neither..its saying if you can go underground 3000 feet you can do ANYTHING!! samnsara Jan 2020 #130

And we really suck at retraining programs Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #17

Thanks...many people here are having trouble connecting the dots BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #31

You hit the nail on the head Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #41

It happens to people in IT also treestar Dec 2019 #50

Or any business really. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #141

This! nt redqueen Jan 2020 #150

Oh dear. cwydro Dec 2019 #18

Better yet...Oh dear, who is misrepresenting what he said? He did NOT say what's in the OP. George II Dec 2019 #22

Then what DID he say? cwydro Dec 2019 #23

Well, I asked you what he actually said, and you didn't answer. cwydro Dec 2019 #65

Seriously!! Joe has some very high-paid advisors... they need to huddle and fix it, pronto!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #35

Coal mining jobs have deteriorated in wages and importance Prosper Dec 2019 #20

Is there a future in coal mining? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #25

Coal mining has changed drastically and dramatically. No future. Prosper Jan 2020 #196

Maybe no relevance in actual skills needed for the examples mentioned Hav Dec 2019 #26

Is he wrong? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #24

I assumed he meant it metaphorically, too. blm Dec 2019 #51

He's clueless about 'coding' jobs. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #104

Agree, uninformed talk. Prosper Jan 2020 #197

I'll pass on buying software coded by ex coal miners. n/t brewens Dec 2019 #27

Classism. Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #29

+1 OKNancy Dec 2019 #32

That's a nice way of describing this attitude Hav Dec 2019 #36

No good software company releases code unless its been tested and retested. Sloumeau Dec 2019 #71

Well said. I posted #80 before I saw this. nt LAS14 Dec 2019 #81

Would you now...kind of snobby I think to assume those who work for a living are stupid. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #77

Stupid is not correct. Aptitude is relevant. Prosper Jan 2020 #198

Do you generally get... tonedevil Dec 2019 #86

What if it was the updated Minesweeper game?! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #111

I became a programmer and previously had a manual labor job nini Jan 2020 #132

I was looking at it more like Trump worshipping miners that actually beleived he'd bring brewens Jan 2020 #136

understood nini Jan 2020 #149

Many aren't "Trump worshipping miners" but they didn't like... SMC22307 Jan 2020 #166

Lol! nt ecstatic Jan 2020 #143

I'm sure there are a few former coal miners who can become great developers Sapient Donkey Jan 2020 #164

He's correct. Deal. Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #28

I can't imagine anything less I'd like to do. cwydro Dec 2019 #63

Telling someone to "deal" is how Dems have lost the working class. redqueen Jan 2020 #151

Spot on. cwydro Jan 2020 #160

A lot of the policy elites are basically clueless about average people. The policy elites are Midwestern Democrat Jan 2020 #161

Too depressing for words. We need to win. nt redqueen Jan 2020 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author Sapient Donkey Jan 2020 #168

As someone who studied programming in college... Sloumeau Dec 2019 #30

With you! The Valley Below Dec 2019 #40

As coal mining jobs started to decline those with Prosper Jan 2020 #182

Don't think he said that, but it's more realistic than "I have a plan for that" Hoyt Dec 2019 #37

Do any of their supporters have real lives? wiley Dec 2019 #45

So you like to believe. blm Dec 2019 #47

Her "Economic Patriotism" and such, is not going to help them. Hoyt Dec 2019 #57

Sure they are. How many are honest about how well that has worked in the past? redqueen Jan 2020 #152

Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #42

Maybe I'm missing the point. Turbineguy Dec 2019 #46

I think he meant that was one option. But the keys words were badhair77 Dec 2019 #49

This always happens when jobs become obsolete treestar Dec 2019 #52

Because it's not the first time this has happened. redqueen Jan 2020 #154

Sure it has treestar Jan 2020 #174

No, it hasn't. nt redqueen Jan 2020 #204

on what ground has re-training "not worked out?" treestar Jan 2020 #229

Let me Google that for you redqueen Jan 2020 #230

Why are you assuming all coal miners believe others need 'tough love'? SMC22307 Jan 2020 #184

Conservatives generally tell poor people in the cities to treestar Jan 2020 #189

they would be healthier thats for sure samnsara Dec 2019 #54

Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #56

Obviously Joe didn't read Hillary's book "What Happened" jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #60

Excellent point!! You would think Joe has read Hillary's book forward and backwards InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #113

"Learn to code" has become a glib solution for those in desperate need of employment. Aaron Pereira Dec 2019 #62

People were rightfully outraged earlier in the year when RWingers told jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #68

This is most certainly true! /eom Backseat Driver Dec 2019 #90

Exactly. I saw the clip this morning and could not believe what I was hearing. redqueen Jan 2020 #155

How about "the govt will pay for you to learn how to work in green technology" Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #74

I have thought that they surely have many transferable skills and abilities. raging moderate Dec 2019 #78

Thnking like this makes me wish Yang had a chance. LAS14 Dec 2019 #80

lolol evertonfc Dec 2019 #82

What makes some here so down on coal miners that they assume they can't learn to code? gulliver Dec 2019 #83

It's not hard? nini Jan 2020 #135

But it must be at least a bachelor's degree. keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #85

"Anybody who can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for God's sake!" myohmy2 Dec 2019 #87

Yeah, right, not even funny! Backseat Driver Dec 2019 #88

What a racket. I've heard similar stories redqueen Jan 2020 #156

Trump to coal miners: "You will always have mining jobs! I'm bringing coal back!" Hekate Dec 2019 #89

And you have an issue with this because????? Peacetrain Dec 2019 #91

Biden sure ain't my first choice rownesheck Dec 2019 #94

Wow.... boomer_wv Dec 2019 #95

I did. The job market for software engineers is flooded right now. backscatter712 Dec 2019 #96

Wtf? Tipperary Dec 2019 #97

My Dad was a coal miner and I grew up in a minig town. yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2019 #98

Being cavalier with coal miners' jobs is an Achilles heal for us. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #100

Right, it would be better to just lie to them about their futures. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #110

We don't have to be cavalier to be honest. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #115

NO, she had a $30 billion clean energy jobs plan. Quote taken out of context, as everybody knows. betsuni Jan 2020 #121

Yep, that's cavalier way of discussing coal mining. It was a bad day for HRC. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #122

No it wasn't. Taken out of context. betsuni Jan 2020 #123

THIS is what they heard... SMC22307 Jan 2020 #187

Still waiting for why "Coal is in decline" isn't a cavalier way of discussing coal mining. betsuni Jan 2020 #124

I get it. All you see is the good and good intention of HRC. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #165

Why are peope on DU against education? yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2019 #102

We are against horseshit advice. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #106

And against vapid condescension jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #119

They're not, they're against unhelpful political comments that could alienate a block of voters!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #178

People who work in coal mining should prepare to transition to something else. nsd Dec 2019 #112

Any way he would have said it would have been "a mistake" Hortensis Jan 2020 #125

He's speaking from a different era loyalsister Jan 2020 #126

Clinton said: "retrain miners" Trump said: "keep the mines open" brooklynite Jan 2020 #128

A little reminiscent of Mike Dukakis' "Belgian Endive" comment to Indiana farmers Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2020 #131

There's A Much Faster Option corbettkroehler Jan 2020 #169

as A programmer, I can assure you that everyone cannot "learn to code". SharonAnn Jan 2020 #170

or other jobs left open for them because others have gone treestar Jan 2020 #175

Like syntax checking ;) LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #180

.. honest.abe Jan 2020 #216

There are approximately 55k actual coal miners NoMoreRepugs Jan 2020 #177

People need to pay bills and learning new skills will be a better future. FloridaBlues Jan 2020 #179

Well, Biden is PARTLY correct. He is. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #181

Biden gave an uneducated response. The unemployed miners Prosper Jan 2020 #183

Key to the solution is: Prosper Jan 2020 #199

I think Andrew Yang's quote on this idea wins Recursion Jan 2020 #200

I've enjoyed Andrew Yang in this race. nsd Jan 2020 #213

what's his advice when tech bubble burst AlexSFCA Jan 2020 #202

"Learn to mine." jcmaine72 Jan 2020 #206

I love Joe but this is a bit of a stretch to think that old unemployed coal miners.. honest.abe Jan 2020 #210

It's ageist to suggest that old workers are not capable of learning new career skills. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #212

If you read my entire post I suggested welding as a good transition career for older coal workers. honest.abe Jan 2020 #214

I know. I was just agreeing with you about blue collar jobs. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #217

Sure its possible for older folks to learn to program like yourself.. honest.abe Jan 2020 #221

You do have a point about age discrimination in employment. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2020 #224

That sounds like good advice to me. People need to be flexible and make changes totodeinhere Jan 2020 #211

They'd have to move Recursion Jan 2020 #220

Exactly. honest.abe Jan 2020 #222

Being willing to relocate is a part of the flexibility I mentioned. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #225

That assistance was a huge part of Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign Recursion Jan 2020 #226

It costs at least $5000 to move a household to a new area. Prosper Jan 2020 #233

No, it just doesn't Recursion Jan 2020 #235

You obviously haven't done the math. At least $5000. Prosper Jan 2020 #236

Which is why you don't start out in a rented apartment Recursion Jan 2020 #238

This is exactly what i discussed with him FIL over the holidays. He's a liberal as well, but seems onetexan Jan 2020 #223