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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:59 AM
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7. Ok ,let me morph up into something I surely generally
speaking do not, which is to get myself into the mindset of the right

Gay Marriage for them is ANY sort of union, even civil union

There are many layers to this onion, so let me just give you three of them as food for thought.

1.- Cheap Labor conservatives, if you give the right for a civil union (which incidentally I am fully in favor of), to gays, that means you also give them rights to benefits, this costs money. Cheap labor conservatives are not into expanding or extending rights to just about anybody, this is a money issue

2.- Separation of church and state, a civil union is a matter of the state... for many strict constructionists, there is NO separation of church or state, for surely you have heard the nation was founded on Christian prinicples (yes I know how ridicolous this is given the founding fathers were Deists, or at least a good percentage, but facts don't matter to this bunch.

3.- Some Gay Activist themselves, yes before getting the ability to have a nicely recognized church marriage, they should just fight for the civil union. Most are not into presing this beyond the civil side, but some are... and those are the ones giving lots of ammo to group two.

Now personally insofar as gay marriage is concerned, this is a civil matter and since terms matter, civil union is the term we should be using, not only for gay marrige but any gov'ment given licence to marry... that is a civil union, now when you go to Church et al and your priest, rabbi et al marry you, then it is becomea a marriage under the church, et al.

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