I like her, I really like her

[realFedUp]

What’s not to respect and enjoy about a woman who felt passionate enough about politics and the state of local affairs to run and be elected to city council, mayor and to the highest political job in Alaska: governor. What’s not to respect and enjoy about a woman who can raise seemingly great children, get her job done in office and still look attractive. Many women face her same challenges, sans higher office. What’s not to respect and enjoy about a woman who kills her family’s dinner? Many of us don’t have that opportunity and kvetch about meat prices going up in our markets. I often think about what squirrel meat might taste like but haven’t gone the distance it takes to off the annoying critters. All that said about respect and enjoyment, as a woman, I just don’t agree with Sarah’s politics, her anti-choice position, and the fact that she is a stroke away from the Presidency if elected. The further selection of Supreme Court justices is a large reason I wouldn’t want another four years of Republicans, especially since, as a member of Feminist for Life, Sarah’s probably well acquainted with Justice Robert’s wife, another member of FOL. Many people have done and will do a thorough analysis of Ms. Palin, but I’d just say she’s a woman who has earned respect and we can enjoy watching her run, while making sure that she doesn’t win. And any reference of her to Hillary in expertise is just "palin" by comparison.

[JVS]

1. As Midlo said: FUCK Her, and her little dog too.

[Midlodemocrat]

45. I AM Midlo and I approve this message.

:thumbsup:

[RagAss]

2. That's nice....See you in the Bread Lines !!!

[kwolf68]

3. and still look attractive

Whats this gotta do with anything? She's attractive. Who gives a shit? So is Brittney Spears, but if you ask me who Id rather hear sing I'd say someone 'ugly' like Aretha Franklin or Janis Joplin, because they are/were just a lot better.

I have NO RESPECT for her. She is a radical extremist, a dogmatic and close minded charlatan.

[Cha]

30. Right! "still look attractive"!! As IF...As if that can cover up her

fuckin' path to destruction for OIL.

[Pepper32]

61. WTF, Aretha is not ugly...

[marylanddem]

4. I believe this is DEMOCRATIC underground...

Those who wish to heap praise on Republicans should go to a Republican website and do so.

[thunder rising]

12. I think you should prove you can read long paragraphs...

[hlthe2b]

21. cutesy attempts at parody... tend to fail when the stakes are so

high. I doubt many DUers missed the poor attempt to be ironic, but it failed miserably.

[Midlodemocrat]

59. Not to mention it's hard to read in that format. Which is why people didn't bother.

[realFedUp]

29. I guess it was longer than a soundbite...thanks tr for reading all

:-)

[seabeyond]

66. i read the whole thing. people are snickering at those that dont embrace your post

flat out stating we dont understand or lack reading comprehension. i have asked a few, i ask you, educate me.

prolife feminist we should respect though we dont agree with policy and we dont vote for her

how is she a feminist being a part of dominion movement where her hubby sits in meeting with her to make the decisions for her cause she cannot since she is only a female and is unable

what part of her feminism am i suppose to respect

[johnaries]

15. I think the point of the OP is that we can respect our opponent as

a person, but that doesn't mean we should vote for them. The same point Obama and Biden made about McCain.

PS: I think most of the "I like her because" section was sarcasm. It was decidedly humorous, in any event.

[seabeyond]

37. using feminism offends as her hubby sits in meetings to make decision for her cause she is merely

a female. no, i dont htink i can "like" her nor respect her

[RichardRay]

35. Did you bother to read the post?

Like most human beings Palin has some redeeming virtues; the world is not populated by angels and demons solely.

Like the OP I can see some things about her I like. I posted previously that if I were stuck in a snowbank in a blizzard in the mountains she'd be an OK person to come along in a 4x4 with a tow strap, better than lots of other folks I know.

That said - She's not qualified to be Vice President of the United States, she's sure as hell not qualified to be President in McCain 'chokes on a pretzel on day one'.

Why is it so hard for people to make that distinction?!?!

[Celebration]

60. I was just thinking the same thing

She would be a good person to have around if you had to go into survivor mode in the mountains--probably better than Obama or Biden. But that really isn't the issue, is it?

[Celebration]

62. deleted n/t

[BlooInBloo]

85. You fail.

[KittyWampus]

5. Can I steal this? It's actually quite funny and quite pointed. Touche!

[realFedUp]

24. Be my guest....maybe say you are real fed up tho....

:-)

[whatchamacallit]

6. Yeah, she's just super!

:crazy: :puke: :crazy: :puke:

[thunder rising]

17. So I take it you are ADD and can't finish a paragraph. Try reading in reverse.

[whatchamacallit]

47. I read the whole thing, and no, she doesn't deserve my respect.

OKAY?

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

7. Do you like her views on letting polar bears go extinct or her helicopter wolf hunting?

[thunder rising]

8. And any reference of her to Hillary in expertise is just "palin" by comparison. (I like that!!)

Yup! Yup! that about sums it up

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

23. It's just plain Failin

[kid a]

9. look deeper...not just the cover story

[seabeyond]

43. that is what i am thinking. if op didnt just pick up talking point without seeing the

picture

[KittyWampus]

10. PS, I think you went over some DU'ers heads on this.

[thunder rising]

20. Yup! Yup! They be looking like morans here. READ THE ENTIRE POST!

[faithfulcitizen]

32. LOL- looks like most are responding viscerally to the title.

[realFedUp]

34. react first, read later...

always got me in trouble.

[TwilightGardener]

48. I assume you meant this as a cute little attempt at humor, but when

you suggest we should relax and find her likable and "enjoy her candidacy" and just not vote for her kind of set me off--that attitude is what people are reacting to, perhaps--not just the title. This is a truly dangerous situation--we could have someone in power who knows absolutely nothing about anything, with less experience, brains, and education than even the Chimp. Her sudden promotion is an insult and a threat to this country. I refuse to sit back and watch with mild amusement. I am truly angered and alarmed. McLoon and the GOP just took a giant shit on this country.

[seabeyond]

65. op mimicks rove party line and then laughs at the du'ers that dont buy the party line

knows and are informed about the liies. who is really the one with egg on face

[seabeyond]

64. again i will ask another. having read the whole paragraph, tell me whati am missing

you educate me

i am to respect this woman as a prolife feminist even though i will not for for her because of her policies, but i respect her feminism when she is a member of doninion and her hubby sits in the meetings to make the decisions for her cause she is female and not capable of doing it all by herself.

where am i wrong in not respecting her feminism

[faithfulcitizen]

75. I never said you had to respect her. That is your opinion, and one in which I happen to share.

But, most of these posts are extremely hostile, when you view the whole post. Everyone has a right to her/his opinion, including the OP. I don't know her, but based on her policies, I doubt I would.

[seabeyond]

77. the first sentence in the op and i believe the conclusions mention respecting the woman

just about everything this op mentioned can be argued.

i would think it would be more understanding why people may be hostile to the post. but yes.... everyone gets to keep their own opinion. and even share them. it was the snickering at those that did not agree with the op i couldnt stomach

thanks

[JohnnyLib2]

36. Imagine that!

[seabeyond]

63. no it didnt go over the head. op states she is pro life feminist we respect her

but dont vote because of her policy. pretty simple. now i challenge a woman who is dominion is any sort of feminist seeing how her hubby sits in meetings to make the decisions cause she is after all only a female.

i have asked the people challenging my reading comprehension or intelligents to educate me in all your wisdom what i am missing. yet, no one wants to educate. so do tell

where my reading comprehension lack

[hlthe2b]

11. Now that's a substantive post...

:eyes:



You, too can look lovely as we we are led ever further into a fascist state. But, hey, we are being led by an accomplished former beauty queen, right? What more could we ask.


Geebus, deliver us from such....

[stray cat]

13. You may be right - she may be someone I would like if I knew her but not for president

[sandnsea]

14. You've obviously never dealth with nutballs like her

Women like her are destroying schools and communities across the country. They operate on slogans and bible verses and righteous indignation. They don't care about facts or science. It's their way or no way. She is no more qualified for this job than I am. If she were a man, she wouldn't even be on the radar. It's absurd to say she's earned anything.

[avaistheone1]

38. You are 100% correct.

Palinis as much like George Bush as John McSame.

If people think Palin is so wonderful then vote for the McCain ticket AND know that you are voting for eternal war with the world, AND war on environment. This country and planet can not afford Sarah Palin she is not good for America or for families at all.

[geckosfeet]

16. Alaska: population less than 1 million. Population Wasilla AK: < 9,000.

How does this qualify her as VP?

[11 Bravo]

18. What's not to like? Anti-choice, anti-evolution, gun nut ...

wants to drill in ANWR, under investigation for abuse of power, called Hillary a "whiner" before pandering to her supporters, and looks like the hot yet repressed librarian in every 80's porn movie. Fuck, if I weren't already happily married I'd probably propose!

[thunder rising]

28. Hey Ground Pounder you would be sorry forever.

[cliffordu]

19. She hasn't earned a fucking thing, except she ran a hamlet out of a bar

someplace and then broke into some guys computer to aid her political career.

She sounds like just another political hack to me.

When she's standing next to McCain she looks like someone who has traded on her XX chromosomes all her life.

[TwilightGardener]

22. The fact that she personally believes she is qualified to be President, having

given no thought to the big national and international issues of the day, having so little experience and education, tells me that she is not a rational or intelligent person. A rational, intelligent person would see that the coming years will be the most challenging for our nation since FDR, both nationally and internationally, and probably conclude that she was not the best choice to lead our country in case McPerv dies. And that person would have turned McPerv down, and suggested someone else who had better qualifications for the job. I think she's awful--she seems to believe that eating mooseburgers and being all cute and quirky and mommy-like are enough for the Presidency. I am ashamed for our country that she's even in the running.

[Oak2004]

82. There's an interesting phenomenon at work here:

People who know a little about a subject know they are not qualified experts in that subject area.

Those who know nothing believe they are experts.

The most abject form of ignorance is found in people who have utterly no sense of how ignorant they are.

[Cha]

25. palin's a fuckin' LIAR..I've had enough of those. You can't do

that shit in real life why the fuck do they think they can do it politics? Fuck her and her trying to keep our Beautiful Polar Bears off the endangered species list. Oh, and fuck her dead end bridge to nowheresville.

[Kerrytravelers]

26. self-delete

I misread the OP's intention.

[Cha]

53. Whatever, you still gave a good analysis of

palin.

[Kerrytravelers]

67. Then I'll repeat my analysis of Palin without commenting on the OP.

I won't refer to the children, as kids are off limits as targets (although congratulating someone on raising fine children is certainly within bounds.)

However, I do question whether she got "her job done in office." Did she really? I think there are questions being asked right now as to how she got her job done and how well of a job she did. I won't give her that yet.

I will say, in my current state of analysis of Palin, any woman that would allow herself to be used to manipulate other women and insult the intelligence of women and, in particular, the intelligence and accomplishments of Hillary Clinton, is doing no favors to her gender. In fact, she is doing a disservice to women by allowing herself to be used. She knows what she is allowing herself to become. I don't respect her, I pity that she has such a low opinion of herself.

[Cha]

86. Thanks, Kerrytravelers..

More and more is coming out now that she's being vetted by the Internet since mccain left the job for us.

[Kerrytravelers]

68. Then I'll repeat my analysis of Palin without commenting on the OP.

I won't refer to the children, as kids are off limits as targets (although congratulating someone on raising fine children is certainly within bounds.)

However, I do question whether she got "her job done in office." Did she really? I think there are questions being asked right now as to how she got her job done and how well of a job she did. I won't give her that yet.

I will say, in my current state of analysis of Palin, any woman that would allow herself to be used to manipulate other women and insult the intelligence of women and, in particular, the intelligence and accomplishments of Hillary Clinton, is doing no favors to her gender. In fact, she is doing a disservice to women by allowing herself to be used. She knows what she is allowing herself to become. I don't respect her, I pity that she has such a low opinion of herself.

[ebdarcy]

27. Well, I really , really dislike her. And I do not respect her either.

Why should I, when she doesn't like or respect me? She doesn't feel that I'm qualified to make my own decisions about my health. She uses her political power to punish others. She has the nerve to claim Hillary Clinton's mantle, when she is against everything that Hillary stands for. She is anti-science, and doesn't believe global warming is man-made.

She is nowhere near qualified to be a heartbeat away from pregnancy. Her pick was an insult to women everywhere.

[MarjorieG]

31. Important to remember that in 65 days we go to the polls, with voters who prefer American Idol.

They've introduced new, spunky, with bogus kudos of maverick, reformer and energy expert, which has been proven on this board.

Just say we need to take the threat, and secret fun vote, very seriously.

[JohnnyLib2]

44. Right on! In the soap opera that U.S. politics has become--

she may steal the scene for too many weeks of those 65 days.

[LisaL]

33. I generally do not like people who hunt.

[realFedUp]

39. hunters...

Dems don't often address the needs and desires of
people who hunt, for sport or necessity. You can
certainly disagree with owning, carrying and operating
guns for yourself, but laws do protect those who
use them and protect game.

The fact is that many live on game they've killed.

[Alameda]

57. Excuse me? Like it or not, everything you eat has to die

for you to eat it.

I grew up on "game" don't remember any store bought meat or veggies on the table. My niece feeds her three children by hunting. Without that, they would not have meat. Everything you eat has to die, it's how it happens that is important. Is it done with respect, or absent minded fill the belly, tantalize the taste buds.

If you hunt, at least you are aware of the connection to the chain of life. Even fruit and vegetables are alive. I try to grow as much as I can and harvest with reverence and respect.

[annabanana]

40. Her Dominionist beliefs that would actually ENCOURAGE her to

"push the button" are really really endearing...

[seabeyond]

49. not to mention how so utterly ridiculous to use feminism with dominion. opposites

the very essence of dominion is anti feminism

[ecstatic]

41. Do you like Ann Coulter too? I guess I'm just a little more selective than you

There are millions of women doing the same fucking thing WITHOUT the help of a rich husband with foreign oil connections. They get up every single day, and while they might not be able to hunt, they find a way to feed their families out of scraps here and there. THAT is way more admirable than anything Ms. Palin the hypocrite has done.

[retread]

42. My wife and I used to kill our family dinner! Did you know road kill has seasons? n/t

[gemlake]

46. I like him, I really like him

What’s not to respect and enjoy about a man who felt passionate enough about politics and the state of local affairs to run and be elected to the highest political job in Texas: governor. What’s not to respect and enjoy about a man who can raise seemingly great children, get his job done in office and still look attractive. Many men face his same challenge, sans higher office. What’s not to respect and enjoy about a man who kills his family’s dinner? Many of us don’t have that opportunity and kvetch about meat prices going up in our markets. I often think about what squirrel meat might taste like but haven’t gone the distance it takes to off the annoying critters. All that said about respect and enjoyment, as a woman, I just don’t agree with George’s politics, his anti-choice position, and the fact that he is the President, if elected. The further selection of Supreme Court justices is a large reason I wouldn’t want four years of Republicans. Many people have done and will do a thorough analysis of George W. Bush, but I’d just say he’s a man who has earned respect and we can enjoy watching him run, while making sure that he doesn’t win. And any reference of him to Al in expertise is just "Bush" by comparison.

RealFedup, August 31, 2000

[JohnnyLib2]

50. Save the squirrels!

Vote 'er down!

K & R

[frogcycle]

51. these responses are hysterical

GREAT test of the depth of perception, reading comprehension, attention deficit, etc. etc. of the DU population.

You might as well have just blown a whistle next to the dog pound. They all start barking with NO IDEA what they are barking at! :rofl:

[JohnnyLib2]

52. ohhhh, you're gonna be called a troll.

3, 2, 1--

[frogcycle]

54. nahhh

they won't read enough of my post to get offended. :rofl:

edit: (it has some of those really big words)

[JohnnyLib2]

56. !

:evilgrin:

[seabeyond]

58. no really i read thru your WHOLE post. and waiting for you to educate, big words and all

teach me

[seabeyond]

55. then educate me. help me to understand. that we are to respect her pro life feminism yet we chose

not to support and vote for her because of policy? is that the jest, or am i missing something.

[RichardRay]

69. I deeply respect her right to hold that position.

That has nothing to do with whether or not I agree with her.

I respect peoples' right to be Holocaust Deniers; I think they're wacko and need to be countered.

I respect peoples' right to believe the earth is flat; they're wacko, too, and I don't bother countering them.

I put Palin's 'pro-life feminism' into the first category, but when you start wanting to anathematize people for having an opinion rather anathematizing the opinion you're treading on very dangerous ground.

[seabeyond]

71. well, i dont respect a woman using the title of feminist as she cant make decisions, her husband

has to make them for her.

you changed my question. do i respect her "right" to hold said position. so milked down what my question. sure. anyone can be a part of anything. but i do not respect her being a feminist cause she is not

[seabeyond]

72. but really my question is, .... cause i do not agree with this op that is more tongue

in cheek than seriously looking at the woman, you know superficial, i want to know where my reading comprehension lacks and i dont get it, as so many are just a laughin and laughin..... buying into the rove creation of this woman

[RichardRay]

74. Please quote the part of the OP where it is suggested

that Palin be respected as a feminist.

We'll proceed from there.

[seabeyond]

76. it is a validation each time the word feminism is used pertaining to this woman

without challenging the association. it is just like pro life, .... yet willing to support death penalty. to suggest repugs are prolife is just bullshit and they put it out to manipulate the mass. using feminism with this woman without challenging leave the impression she is a feminist and she is anything but

[RichardRay]

78. And just WHERE DOES THE OP DO THAT?!?!?!

I've read the post several times. I see references to respect for Palin in a variety of ways, then I see a final and substantial repudiation of her qualification or desirability for the office of Vice President.

No place do I see any mention of her as a feminist. The only thing I can construe from your posts is that you believe that only a woman who is a feminist could do the things she is given credit for, and that by giving credit the poster infers that Palin is a feminist. Is that it?

[seabeyond]

79. as a member of Feminist for Life, ..... n/t

[RichardRay]

81. Please note that her membership in that organization is

referenced as one of the reasons to reject her, NOT to approve of her.

Note this sentence:

All that said about respect and enjoyment, as a woman, I just don’t agree with Sarah’s politics, her anti-choice position, and the fact that she is a stroke away from the Presidency if elected.

That sentence separates clearly the poster's items of 'respect and enjoyment' from the issues of the election re which the poster makes it clear Palin is quite clearly wrong. Reference to FFL is used following that sentence to support the poster's disagreement and rejection, not in reference to or in support of any of the earlier things the poster notes with mild approval. Noting that a person is a member of FFL makes no claim for her stature as a feminist, just as a wacko who needs to be countered.


Had I written that post I'd probably have added a paragraph break between those two sections, just to make it easier to see the comparison being made. OTOH, it could be argued that the entire paragraph holds together as a single development to a conclusion, so I don't see that it's poorly formed as it stands, either.

[Barack_America]

70. I don't like anyone who thinks they have jurisdiction over my uterus.

Sorry, but I do not like Sarah Palin at all.

[frogcycle]

73. and you have that right

neither do I, by the way

[Tveil]

80. She's bangable...but other than that useless n/t

[Honeycombe8]

83. You admire her in part because of her APPEARANCE? Just the opposite w/me....

I would admire her MORE if she'd become mayor, and the mother of five, and then governor, all while being disadvantaged by a less than beauty queen appearance.

That is an old model and and old belief by many men...that women get ahead mainly by using their appearance and feminine wiles, rather than substantive virtues that REALLY command respect.

There have been many women in my city's city council. Kudos to them. Esp. since almost all of them were not too attractive. That means they were elected for the RIGHT reasons.

There have been many, many women of small towns in America. Our last mayor of our city was a woman, actually. Kudos to them all, esp. since a lot of them were not beauty queens.

This little beauty queen did some things that I haven't done...kudos to her. But to make them out to be more than they are is unfair to all the women who have worked hard to get where they are, and didn't depend on a bathing suit and a smile.

[ClarkUSA]

Yeah, her sociopathic lies and Troopergate abuse of power is so-o-o admirable.

Jerk.

[Onlooker]

84. You have to play ball

Sure, you can like her, but we're in a political struggle, and to the extent we can knock her down, we increase Obama's chances of winning. Many right wingers may well like Obama, but they know they have to knock him down to improve McCain's chances of winning. It's the sad nature of politics, and it's been like this since the birth of our nation. Play ball!